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Friday, May 14, 2021

The Storm Which Netanyahu Unleashed




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The Storm Which Netanyahu Unleashed

By Adam Keller

{You can view the article here: https://www.tikkun.org/the-storm-which-netanyahu-unleashed/}

Yesterday morning (Tuesday) we woke up with the news of twenty one Palestinians killed in Gaza, nine of them minors, and two Israeli women killed in Ashkelon (one of them, it later turned out, was a migrant worker from India, and since then, the death toll on both sides has more than doubled). Then came the email which I was expecting. Noa Levy of Hadash sent out an urgent call for emergency protests in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. A second message from the Forum of Israeli and Palestinian Bereaved Families and Combatants for Peace which endorsed the Hadash call and added a Haifa protest venue initiated by the Haifa Women for Women Center.

"The government is playing with fire - all of us get burned! In a desperate attempt to cling to power, Netanyahu is dragging us into war, into killing and suffering and pain for both peoples. Stop the escalation! Cease the fire! Stop the expulsion of families from Sheikh Jarrah, stop the police rampage in East Jerusalem. There can be no peace and no quiet as long as the West Bank lives under occupation and Gaza suffers a suffocating siege. The solution: an end to the occupation, an end to the siege of Gaza, and the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, with East Jerusalem as its capital. We all deserve to live in freedom and security. The time to act is now!"

And so there were several hours of frantic work at the computer and phone, spreading the message by Facebook and WhatsApp to all who waited for such a call on such a day. And then taking the bus to Tel Aviv. The Kugel Boulevard, main Holon thoroughfare on which all buses to Tel Aviv travel, had its completely normal daily bustle. On King George Street in Tel Aviv there were already several hundred people gathered outside the Likud Party headquarters, among them familiar faces, the determined minority of Israelis who always show up on such days, as in 2014 and 2009. "Stop the fire, stop the bloodshed!" chanted several hundred throats. And "On both sides of the border / Children want to live!" and "Sheikh Jarrah, don't despair / We will end the occupation yet!" and also "Gaza, Gaza, don't despair / We will end the siege yet!" and "Netanyahu, Netanyahu / The Dock at the Hague waits for you!".

Dispersal, and a vague feeling of frustration. But what more could we have done? Perhaps we would have felt more satisfied to be violently dispersed and spend the night in detention - but here, unlike other locations, the police did not interfere with the demonstration. There were only two bored police officers watching from the side. Our favorite vegan eatery was nearby, so we went in. Everything was just like any other evening out in downtown Tel Aviv, it felt a bit strange to have life as usual while terrible things happen elsewhere.

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The air raid alarms wailed just after we paid our bill and started walking. We went into a nearby big pharmacy. The pharmacy staff were quietly efficient – "Over here, turn left, the basement stairs are there". About a hundred people – staff and clients and everyone who happened to be on the street – crowded in. Even in the basement, we could clearly hear the explosions in the sky. "Are these the missiles themselves, or the interceptors?" wondered an old woman. Another old woman said "Don't worry, dear, if this goes on we will all learn to know which is which".

After a quarter of an hour we thought it was over and everybody emerged and started again down the street – and then the air raid siren sounded again. This time we went into the basement of a private house with very friendly young  people who offered to let us stay the night. "You can stay here, no need to risk going out again, we have spare beds".

I must say that up to that point it still felt like a bit of a game. I realize now that we shared the arrogant illusion of most Israelis that the Iron Dome missiles were giving us virtually complete protection. But as we were huddling in the second basement of the evening, the phone rang: "Are you OK? Good to hear your voice, I heard of the burned bus in Holon, I was so worried!" "I am in Tel Aviv, what bus is that?" A quick look at the news websites showed the Kugel Boulevard where we had passed just three hours before. It was a war zone, flames and scattered debris everywhere, and the skeleton of a completely burned bus in the middle.  It was reported that the driver heard the alarm, stopped the bus and told everybody to run just a minute before the bus was hit.

Perhaps we should have taken the young people's offer and stayed the night with them. Getting back home was a long and weary experience. The main roads were blocked by the police, and we saw ambulances and fire trucks rushing forward. The bus from Tel Aviv let us off a long way from home and there were no taxis to be had in the whole of Holon, so there was a very long and weary trudging through dark empty streets.  At home I had a WhatsApp exchange with an old friend. "Stay alert, this night is not yet over" she wrote. "The government is sure to order a strong retaliation for this attack on Tel Aviv, and the Palestinians will want to retaliate for the retaliation". She was completely right. After 3.00 AM  there was a very long series of alarms, one after the other. The explosions were more vague and seemed a long distance off. This time they were aiming at the Ben Gurion Airport.

One of the missiles had fallen on a hut in Lod (Lydda), and killed a fifty year old man and his teen daughter. It later turned out that they were Arabs, that they had lived in an "unrecognized" neighborhood where no building permits are issued, and that this prevented them from building a more solid structure which could have saved their lives.

And so here we are, with the conflict escalating and the death toll rising ever more steeply. And I should recapitulate, at least briefly, how we got to this.

Last Friday – just five days ago, though it seems like an eternity – public attention in Israel was totally riveted to the complicated dance of party politics. Prime Minister Netanyahu, facing three serious corruption charges at the Jerusalem District Court, had just failed in his efforts to form a new cabinet. The mandate passed to the oppositional "Block of Change", whose leaders embarked on delicate negotiations aimed at forming a very heterogeneous government coalition comprising right-wing. left-wing and center parties, which have virtually nothing in common except the wish to see the last of Netanyahu. We had very mixed feelings about it, especially since the intended new Prime Minister Naftali Bennet is, if anything, more right-wing than Netanyahu. Still, the new government would have very strong mechanisms of "mutual veto" in place that would prevent Bennet from doing too much harm – though the same would also prevent the new government from doing much good, either. And this government  would be the very first in Israeli history to rely on an Arab party for its parliamentary majority (other than the Rabin Government in 1995, whose tenure was cut short by Rabin's assassination).

Anyway, there were very concrete plans to have the new cabinet ready for parliamentary approval by Tuesday, May 11th. The anti-corruption demonstrators who have been demonstrating every week outside the Prime Minister's residence were joking about when the movers will arrive to take away the Netanyahu family furniture. But Netanyahu had other irons in the fire.

First, there was the planned expulsion of hundreds of Palestinians from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of East Jerusalem. Dozens of them were due to be expelled within days and extreme right settlers were going to enter into their vacated homes. Protests in Sheikh Jarrah and elsewhere in East Jerusalem met brutal police repression. Then, protests spread to the Haram A Sharif (Temple Mount) compound, and so did the police repression. Police started to shoot "rubber" bullets directly into demonstrators' faces, causing them to lose eyes – at least two of them losing both eyes and becoming blind for the rest of their lives. Footage of the police breaking into the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islam's third holiest site and a place considered, even by secular Palestinians, as a major part of their national heritage, spread widely through the social networks, escalating the protests. And then there was the plan to have thousands of radical young settlers hold the provocative "Dance of the Flags" right through the Damascus Gate and the Muslim Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem, chanting their habitual racist slogans. The police and government reiterated hour after hour that the "Dance of the Flags" would take place as scheduled. And it was then that Hamas in Gaza threatened to retaliate for the attack on the Palestinians of Jerusalem, and the government declared that it would not bend to "the ultimatums of terrorists". And at the very last moment the "Dance" was cancelled – but it was too late. At 6.00 PM the salvo of seven Hamas rockets at the outskirts of Jerusalem – which in fact caused no casualties or damage, but which precipitated the Israeli deadly retaliation on Gaza.     .  

And now, a bit more than 48 hours later, here we are, in the midst of an escalating war, the Israeli Air Force destroying high rise buildings in Gaza and proudly announcing the "elimination" of senior Hamas activists – but unable to hinder the Palestinians' ability to go on shooting rockets. And relations between Jews and Arabs, fellow citizens of Israel, have descended to unprecedented depths of inter-communal violence. In Lod, the police declared a night curfew "to stop the rampaging Arabs" but Arab inhabitants refuse to abide and are involved in violent confrontations with police around a local mosque. And in Bat Yam and Tiberias, mobs of extreme right Jews are assaulting random Arabs and smashing up Arab-owned shops. And repeated again and again in the media is the government's total refusal to make a ceasefire. "No, no, no ceasefire – we must teach Hamas a lesson!"

Of course no ceasefire. Why should Netanyahu want a ceasefire? Every day in which the shooting continues is one more day of keeping that dreaded mover's truck away from the Prime Minister's Residence, one more day of keeping power in his own hands. If there was concrete proof that Netanyahu did it all consciously and deliberately, it would constitute criminal charges far more serious than those he is facing at the District Court of Jerusalem. But any such evidence is probably classified Top Secret and would only be published fifty years from now. So, we can't prove that he did it deliberately, though there can be little doubt about it. We can only end the war, and immediately afterwards get rid of him.

Perhaps what is happening now will shake President Biden out of the attitude of keeping a low profile on Israel and the Palestinians? After all, all this mess had fallen on his desk with quite a loud clatter…

 

Adam Keller, an Israeli peace activist, is spokesman for Gush Shalom, the peace group founded by Uri Avnery.

 

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Friday, March 05, 2021

Let's call him 45



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Illustration: I know – I can't believe it either: when I first saw it, I had no idea as to what it was supposed to represent. It was wheeled in at the CPAC festival. I rather doubt it is pure gold as that might compromise values. [Made in China.]


Oh, I didn't expect the program below when I wrote this, but it is a good one. It always looked to me as if nobody could criticize Israel here and hope to be elected. Well, they explain all about it at the bottom.


Well, we have the latest from Qanon sent to the GOPq and in effect now. The inauguration will not be on March 4, but April 1. First, the government has to be renewed and Donnie will become the 19th President. Seems there was some problem involving the Civil Service? Some still think it is March 4, so the military is prepared.  [r so we were told. Remember 45 was still 'ruling' and replaced all of the liaisons with the National guard as soon as he lost the election.He snappened into action, watching the mob on 'tv and eating popcorn or something more appealing./]  


Biden announced that another vaccine is ready, one shot and that's it. Another company will assist in manufacturing it and he moved the expected date up two months. The Governor of Texas, a Republican who thinks the Green New Deal was responsible for the failures in Texas (there is no green new deal and wind and solar out performed the other sources, immediately snapped into action: he ended the mask band and told everybody they can meet indoors and sneeze on one another.


To say this is preposterous is mild, but then every Mayor in Texas hope to defy this order and retain the mask restrictions. Mississippi is close by and NOBODY is going to get more backward than Mississippi and they are angry they didn't think of it first. Well, they are joining in and pretending, I think, they thought of it first.


A nurse in Kentucky mentions that she had helped a woman at the clinic and the woman said "I'm sure glad I didn't have to go through that Obamacare." The nurse told here she was being covered by that and she asked "Well, please don't tell my friends about it." I try to be open minded, but this is worse than the third world. At least they have a reason for being backwards. These people don't HAVE to be backwards – they just CHOOSE to be and that gives them no excuse. Even George Wallace wised up, or at least said he did.


Aware that they seem racist against blacks, the domestic terrorists and the like have taken to beating up asians. See, this way, it doesn't matter if you are black or yellow, they will beat you up. Oh, and they are not very happy with the brown skinned ones either and they are starting to get out of their cages. Looks like trouble ahead.


The last stimulous bill did have money to lend to small businesses, but small businesses are definded as 500 employees or less. Also, the money was distributed by the banks. We don't like the term "mom and pop stores," but who do you suppose got the money last time? Right, now, the bill is limited to 20 employees or less and also hires enough people to help them fill out the beurocratic forms as the applications go directly to the government, not the banks. [Just a side note here: FDR ran "to save my friends from themselves." He called an emergency session of congress and could have nationalized the banks at that time, but that would be socialism. Still, his proposal went through so well, he kept on submitting bills until the time was up. That happened to be 100 days, that's all.]

Finally, if you were wondering why Joe Manchin is so opposed to and increased minimum wage, he has interests in several stores thay pay at that rate.

TOXIC IN AMERICA

Israel and the United States blasted the International Criminal Court's decision to open a probe into Israeli war crimes in the Palestinian territories, as well as crimes committed by Palestinian militant groups. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken tweeted that the Biden administration "firmly opposes" an investigation. Mitchell Plitnick and Marc Lamont Hill, co-authors of "Except for Palestine," say it's an illustration of the "Palestine exception" that makes even supposedly progressive people unwilling to criticize Israel's human rights abuses and its ongoing occupation of Palestinian territories. "We are attempting to show that the American left — those who identify as progressive, radical, liberal, what have you — have not held up the bargain in terms of matching their own ideals and values on this question of Israel and Palestine," says Hill.

AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.orgThe Quarantine Report. I'm Amy Goodman, with Nermeen Shaikh.

The International Criminal Court has officially opened a probe into Israeli war crimes in the Palestinian territories, as well as crimes committed by Palestinian militant groups. Israel and the United States blasted the decision. Israel is not a member of the ICC, but the Palestinians joined the court in 2015. Israel has argued the court has no jurisdiction over the Occupied Territories because Palestine is not an independent state. On Wednesday, Wasel Abu Yousef of the Palestinian Liberation Organization welcomed the ICC decision.

WASEL ABU YOUSEF: [translated] This decision is so important because it shows that justice will be imposed on those who carry out crimes against the Palestinian people or any crime in the world. The Israeli occupation thought that they were exempt from the crimes that they committed and that they won't be questioned for these crimes. Today, this decision will cut off the ways for occupation to continue committing these crimes. I think the occupation will think deeply about how to defend itself in front of the court.

AMY GOODMAN: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded by claiming the ICC decision is anti-Semitic.

PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: The decision of the International Court to open investigation against Israel today for war crimes is absurd. It's undiluted anti-Semitism and the height of hypocrisy. … This court, that was established to prevent the repetition of the Nazi horrific crimes committed against the Jewish people, is now turning its guns against the one and only state of the Jewish people. It's targeting Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. But, of course, it turns a blind eye to Iran, Syria and the other dictatorships that are committing real war crimes.

AMY GOODMAN: The Biden administration also criticized the ICC. Secretary of State Tony Blinken said, quote, "The United States firmly opposes and is deeply disappointed by this decision. The ICC has no jurisdiction over this matter. … We will continue to uphold our strong commitment to Israel and its security, including by opposing actions that seek to target Israel unfairly," Blinken said.

Still with us, the co-authors of the new book, Except for Palestine: The Limits of Progressive Politics, Marc Lamont Hill, Temple University professor of media studies and urban education, and Mitchell Plitnick, president of ReThinking Foreign Policy, also the former director of the U.S. office of B'Tselem and former co-director of Jewish Voice for Peace.

Marc Lamont Hill, let's begin with your response to the ICC decision to investigate Israel for war crimes.

MARC LAMONT HILL: I am always skeptical of the ability to adjudicate these matters in international criminal courts, not because I don't believe in them, but because I'm often skeptical that they'll actually produce a fair and just outcome. But this is a moment of promise. This is a moment of possibility. The fact that the ICC last month acknowledged that it had jurisdiction and this month says that it's going to actually open up an investigation, I think, is extraordinary.

It's important, though, to respond to what Prime Minister Netanyahu said. First, this is not a probe exclusively targeted toward Israel. Obviously, Hamas will also be investigated — and, ostensibly, the PA could be, although this is largely about Operation Protective Edge, and so it won't focus on them — meaning that any war crimes in the territories and in the area could be investigated.

Second, the idea that the ICC is somehow targeting Israel, to me, is a bit curious, when, quite frankly, the African countries are the only people who seem to get any kind of rebuke or censure or criticism from the international courts, whether it's Muammar Gaddafi, whether we're looking at the LRA in Uganda. I mean, we could look — we could look at Sudan. I mean, the critiques of the — or, the actions of the ICC are largely directed toward African nations, not the West, not Europe and not Israel. And it would be anti-Semitic — it would absolutely be anti-Semitic to only investigate Israel, to only focus on Israel. But the ICC is not attempting to do that.

And then, finally, the argument, somehow, that Palestine is not a state, and therefore is not able to appeal to the ICC, simply is contradicted by international law. It's contradicted by the U.N.'s decision a few years ago. They absolutely have the jurisdiction. And this is an opportunity for not just Israel, but for the United States, to actually reset relations with the ICC and actually move toward an investigation that could produce justice.

And the fact that the Biden administration has resisted that, and that this is one of those areas where Biden has not reversed course from Trump — right? He reversed Trump — he reverses from Trump on Muslim bans, on the Paris accords, on all these issues. But on the ICC, he's making a different choice, and that different choice is very disappointing.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: And, Mitchell, your response to the ICC decision to investigate both Palestinians and Israelis for war crimes? And if you could respond — I mean, Marc said about Netanyahu saying that Israel is being singled out and that it's principally African nations that have been investigated by the ICC. But what about war crimes being committed elsewhere, from Syria to Yemen? Those have not been referred to the ICC. Could you respond to that?

MITCHELL PLITNICK: So, yeah. I mean, first of all, I share with Marc a skepticism about the outcome of the ICC investigation. First of all, the current prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, will be stepping down in June, and her replacement, Karim Khan, is someone — we don't know what he thinks specifically about this issue, but we do know that both the United States and Israel are optimistic about his appointment, so that kind of makes me nervous about where this is going to go.

On top of that, Hamas, because of the nature of the two sides and the weaponry that Israel has versus the weaponry Hamas has, Hamas uses weaponry that is, by definition, indiscriminate. It cannot distinguish between its targets. It's very difficult to aim properly. So it's going to be — it does not meet the standards of international law. Almost by definition, Hamas will be found guilty of war crimes, whereas, with Israel, it's much more — it's more difficult, and there are more questions of international law involved. So I'm skeptical about a positive outcome here, as Marc is, which is not to say that war crimes were not committed. I think that's clear. The question is not, you know, what we know happened, but what we can prove happened. And that's always a problem because of the way international law is constructed. So, starting with that.

As far as what Netanyahu said, first, let me say, as a Jewish person, that using anti-Semitism — and even worse, using the Holocaust — to shield Israel from being investigated for potential war crimes is remarkably contemptible and deeply offensive to me personally, and, I think, to many Jews around the world. The issue is very simple. If you committed war crimes, you should be investigated. If you didn't commit war crimes, what are you worried about? So, I think there is that point.

And there's also — look, you know, the fact is that a major complaint against the ICC has been that it's almost solely focused on Africa, with Yugoslavia having been the only real exception here up until now. And we'll see, again, where this goes. But it's a fair criticism to say that the ICC has not applied standards of justice globally. Part of that is because we see the kind of backlash that it faces when, for example, it goes up against the United States and tries to investigate U.S. war crimes in Afghanistan. It is a lot of this — a lot of this backlash is tied to that, as well. It's not just defense of Israel. It's also the U.S. looking at its own war crimes and not wanting those to be investigated by an international body. So, all of that is kind of coming together here.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: And I'd like to turn now, Marc, to the book that the two of you have just brought out, called Except for Palestine: The Limits of Progressive Politics. Marc, can you lay out the argument there?

MARC LAMONT HILL: You know, Mitchell and I were very excited to write this book, particularly at this moment. We didn't know who would be president. We didn't know that there'd be an ICC investigation. But all the issues that are coming up right now really speak to the various ways that Palestinians have been made the exception to many of our progressive values and politics and actions, if you think about — or, rather, in activist circles. I'll start there, in activist circles. You know, we have this person we call the "PEP" — right? — the person who's progressive except for Palestine. This is the person that's outraged at Trump for his actions at the border, who's disgusted by children in cages, who can't stand to think about the erosion of civil liberties. But when it comes to Palestine, somehow, they don't engage those same ideas in the same way.

And so, in our book, what we attempt to do is lay out the kind of policy groundwork. We lay out the frontier on which these battles are fought. We want people to understand not just the contradictions of the so-called left, but also to understand how those contradictions emerged. So, whether it's questions about the right to exist, whether it's questions about BDS, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, or whether it's the attempt to make Trump the exception rather than part of a more aggressive articulation of the American rule, we are attempting to show that the American left — those who identify as progressive, radical, liberal, what have you — have not held up the bargain in terms of matching their own ideals and values on this question of Israel and Palestine. And that's something that we want to raise.

I'll give one quick example. Donald Trump, who we've made the bogeyman — and for good reason — moved the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. And that was seen as outrageous. Of course, him acknowledging Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel goes against international law. It goes against the idea that we'll allow Jerusalem to be a final status issue. But Donald Trump didn't create that rule. Donald Trump actually was acting on decades of American policy. The Jerusalem Embassy Act was actually signed by Congress in 1995 under the times of Clinton. And every U.S. president has simply signed a waiver not to move the embassy, but no one has fought to actually get rid of the legislation. So, this is bipartisan American policy. Again, Trump was an ugly — he was American policy on steroids. But he was part of a bipartisan movement to neglect the values, the needs, the self-determination of the Palestinian people. And in our book, we try to lay that out in what we think is a compelling way.

AMY GOODMAN: And, Mitchell, if you can talk about — more about the weaponization of anti-Semitism, silencing those who might otherwise be critics?

MITCHELL PLITNICK: Yeah. I mean, that is reaching a fever pitch right now. And I think it's actually reflective of where Israel itself has gone. I think Israel has abandoned a lot of the veneer of idealism that it once had and any legitimate idealism it once held for itself, and is now simply — you know, we hear the arguments in Washington about why we support this or that Israeli policy, and it's all about an unbreakable bond and an undying friendship. It's not about geostrategic thinking anymore. It's not about Israel is actually right anymore. It is simply about the idea that this is our ally, and we're going to stand by her. And I think this is part of it.

So, when you're trying to actually engage in the debate, you're not — you don't want to debate the issues. You want to simply say anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-Semitic. And Jews are certainly — as I know your audience is very well aware, we are certainly not immune from that accusation. I'm certainly not. I get called anti-Semitic all the time.

So, we're seeing a lot of arenas. Right now with Facebook trying to collapse the phrase "Zionism" as a proxy, so that you cannot criticize Zionism or Zionist thinking or the Zionist movement without being called anti-Semitic. I mean, that's part of that battle. Of course, the IHRA, International Holocaust Remembrance Association, definition brings in the same problematic language.

And the idea is to shut down all criticism of Israel. And the reason is because Israel can no longer defend itself against that criticism. Supporters of Israel can no longer argue that there's any legitimacy to dispossessing an entire people and holding them without rights for decades, for generations. There's no argument that's going to stand up to that. So, instead, you simply call the person who's making the criticism anti-Semitic.

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Friday, August 16, 2019

Palestine



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Patriotism
Czar Donic




Well, every so-often, it's time to be patriotic and one of the American Principles of Patriotism is to criticize the government.  (I think Jefferson once said that he favored a Revolution every 20 years. But I've never confirmed that.)
Every time I start to write one of these editions, the image of that fat, sociopathic, faux orange man, the dyspeptic dimwit, living sometimes in the White House simply discourages the effort. Perhaps it should. But sometimes, silence is taken as a sign of acceptance. Sometimes it simply is not possible. Fortunately, there are others who still think highly enough on this country to protest.

There is either too little to say, or too much. There is no way to handle this sanely. So, let us just look at a longish interview from Democracy Now on the latest idiocy involving Palestine, After remarking that perhaps Greenland will buy us?

Anyway, there it is:

Israel sparked outrage Thursday when it banned two freshman Democratic congresswomen of color — Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — from entering the country. Following outcry from Democratic leaders and Palestinians, Israel granted permission for Tlaib to enter the country on "humanitarian" grounds to visit her family in the West Bank — though Tlaib said Friday she will not visit her family under such conditions. Israel originally denied entrance to Tlaib and Omar after President Donald Trump tweeted, "It would show great weakness if Israel allowed Rep. Omar and Rep.Tlaib to visit. They hate Israel & all Jewish people." Congressmembers Tlaib and Omar are the first two Muslim women elected to Congress, and were planning to tour East Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank. Both congresswomen have voiced support for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, or BDS, movement, a global solidarity campaign with the Palestinian people. The nonviolent movement seeks to use economic and cultural pressure to force Israel to end its occupation of Palestinian lands. We speak with Mustafa Barghouti, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council and secretary general of the Palestinian National Initiative political party, and Rebecca Vilkomerson, executive director of Jewish Voice for Peace.


Transcript
This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.
AMY GOODMAN: Israel has announced it will conditionally allow Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib to visit family in the West Bank, a day after it barred both Tlaib and fellow Congresswoman Ilhan Omar from entering Israel to travel to occupied Palestine. Israel is still refusing entry to Omar. Israel initially blocked entry to both lawmakers after President Trump took the unprecedented step of publicly urging Israel to bar entry to the women, the first two female Muslim members of Congress. Trump tweeted Thursday, "It would show great weakness if Israel allowed Rep. Omar and Rep.Tlaib to visit. They hate Israel & all Jewish people," he tweeted.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended his decision Thursday. Israeli prime minister defended the decision to bar both the U.S. lawmakers.
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: [translated] By law, we are not willing to admit anyone into Israel who calls for the boycott of the state of Israel and acts to delegitimize the state of the Jews.
AMY GOODMAN: Israeli authorities say Congressmember Tlaib will now be allowed entry on "humanitarian" grounds to visit her ailing 90-year-old grandmother, on the condition she does not promote the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement during her visit. Both Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar have voiced support for the BDS movement, the global solidarity campaign with the Palestinian people. The nonviolent movement seeks to use economic and cultural pressure to force Israel to end its occupation of Palestinian lands. The congresswomen were planning to tour East Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank.
After learning of the ban, Congressmember Ilhan Omar released a statement that read, in part, quote, "It is an affront that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, under pressure from President Trump, would deny entry to representatives of the U.S. government. Trump's Muslim ban is what Israel is implementing, this time against two duly elected Members of Congress," she said.
Both centrist and progressive Democrats criticized Israel's move and Trump's statements. U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged Israel to reconsider its decision. Meanwhile, Congressmember Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, "I cannot move forward with scheduling any visits to Israel until all members of Congress are allowed." Despite outcry from Democratic leaders, as well as Palestinians, President Trump doubled down on his position later on Thursday.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: They are very anti-Jewish, and they're very anti-Israel. I think it's disgraceful, the things they've said. You have lists of — this isn't just a one-line mistake. What they've said about Israel and Jewish people is a horrible thing, and they've become the face of the Democrat Party. So, I did absolutely put out a very strong statement. I think if you look at their language, if you look at what they've said, if I ever said it, it would be a — it would be a horrible — it would be a horrible month, to put it mildly. So, the things that they've said, Omar, Tlaib, what they've said is disgraceful. So I can't imagine why Israel would let them in.
AMY GOODMAN: Last week, the staunchly pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, sponsored a trip to Israel for 41 Democratic members of Congress. The delegation was led by the House majority leader, Maryland Democrat Steny Hoyer. After news broke that Congressmembers Tlaib and Omar were blocked from entering Israel, Hoyer called Israeli officials on the congresswomen's behalf to no avail. He later released a statement saying Israel's decision was outrageous. Even AIPAC tweeted its disapproval, saying, quote, "every member of Congress should be able to visit and experience our democratic ally Israel firsthand," AIPAC said.
The congresswomen's trip was co-sponsored by Miftah, a West Bank-based nongovernmental organization, the organization founded by Hanan Ashrawi, the senior Palestinian official with the Palestine Liberation Organization. This is Hanan Ashrawi responding to news of the trip's cancellation.
HANAN ASHRAWI: This is really unacceptable. It's a direct insult to the American people. It's a direct insult to the representatives of the American people. And it's a way in which Israel shows that it is a dictatorship that cannot tolerate any criticism, and that it will prevent anybody from interacting with the Palestinian people or seeing the reality of this cruel and illegal occupation on the ground.
AMY GOODMAN: The family of Rashida Tlaib in the West Bank also expressed outrage, even after Rashida Tlaib was accepted on humanitarian grounds to visit her grandmother, saying there should be no conditions put on the congressmember's visit.
Well, for more, we go now to Ramallah, West Bank, to speak with Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, member of the Palestinian Parliament, secretary general of the Palestinian National Initiative, a political party. He was a presidential candidate in the 2005 elections.
And here in New York, we're also joined by Rebecca Vilkomerson, executive director of Jewish Voice for Peace, or JVP. Her group is among those standing in solidarity with Congressmembers Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. And Rebecca Vilkomerson herself has been banned from entering Israel.
We turn first to Dr. Mustafa Barghouti. Can you respond to, first, President Trump demanding Israel not allow in two U.S. congressmembers, Israel complying, then after Congressmember Rashida Tlaib appealed on humanitarian grounds to have her perhaps last visit with her grandmother, they said she could, conditioned on her not promoting Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions? Your response, Dr. Barghouti? We don't know — at this point, Congressmember Ilhan Omar has not been allowed into the Occupied Territories or Israel.
MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: Well, let me first say why do Israel behaves in this manner. I think this Israeli establishment, before everything else, is afraid and frightened from exposing the realities here in Palestine. They are afraid of that such a visit, with media coverage, will expose the longest occupation in modern history, will expose the severe violations of human rights of Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli establishment, and will expose the worst system of apartheid ever, where racial discrimination is practiced against Palestinians in the worst possible way.
The second reason is practically this is a proof that Israel is not a democracy. And no democracy in the world would prevent elected congresswomen from the United States from visiting. This is another proof that it is a myth to claim that Israel is the only democracy in the region.
Third, I think this act is reflecting a racial discriminatory approach, a racism in which I think there is here some kind of similarity between Netanyahu and Mr. Trump, racial discrimination against people because of their ethnic origin or because of their religion or because of their opinions.
And at the end of the day, the Israeli effort to impose on Rashida Tlaib conditions for her visit here is nothing but an act of separation of freedom of expression. And I hope that Rashida does not accept that. And I also hope that she does not allow separating her from Ilhan Omar, because I think both of them should be allowed to come in.
And as was said, the fact that Israel took such a decision is an insult to democracy, insult to the American people, insult to the country that they claim they have an alliance with. And it shows the real skin of this Israeli establishment, which insists on not only maintaining a horrible occupation against Palestinians, but also on consolidating a system of apartheid. Their attacks on BDS and their attacks on solidarity movements with Palestinian people is nothing but an act of psychological terror to frighten people from telling the truth.
Such a visit would have been very important in exposing the reality here, because we know that in many, many American media outlets, the truth is not coming through to the American public. All we want is that the American public knows the truth, knows the reality. And if the American public knows the truth, they will immediately take a stand, I am sure, a stand against this system of oppression and apartheid conducted by Israel against the Palestinian people.
AMY GOODMAN: And, Rebecca Vilkomerson, you've been banned from going into Israel.
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about what happened to Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar, clearly a story that's still developing?
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: Yeah. I mean, I think what — the news today, that Rashida was given what was called by — on humanitarian grounds, allowed to enter, I think, really reflects how much Israel considers itself entitled to completely control the lives and all kinds of movement of all Palestinian people. And, you know, Rashida was forced to make a decision that Palestinians are often forced to make because of the way that Israel controls its borders and for decades hasn't been letting Palestinians in. So, in a lot of ways, this is just a continuation of ongoing Israeli policies.
And it's been — there's a spotlight on it because Rashida Tlaib is a U.S. congressperson. There's a spotlight on it because it is unprecedented that a sitting president would suggest to a foreign country that a member of his own government should not be allowed into the country. And so, from an American political perspective, I think that's very unprecedented. But from the Israeli perspective, this is a continuation of their ongoing policies of separation and apartheid and ethnic discrimination. It's not any different than the ways — what they've been pursuing for decades now.
AMY GOODMAN: And you, yourself, have been barred from going into Israel?
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: Yeah, that's right. But, you know, that's the tip of the iceberg. Like I said, we're sort of a late-breaking entry that Israel has now started to ban people who support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, and are trying to control the political thought and the political expression of people who disagree with their policies. But again, you know, that's based on years and years and years of that kind of ethnic and religious discrimination that they've been imposing.
AMY GOODMAN: I mean, it is quite astounding, a kind of bitter irony, that you have President Trump going after the "Squad," the four congresswomen — Ayanna Pressley, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib — telling them to go back to their countries — three of them, including Rashida Tlaib, born in the United States. But here he said, "go back to their countries," and now he is demanding of Israel that Israel not allow Rashida Tlaib, who is the first Palestinian-American congresswoman, from returning to her family land, where her grandmother lives.
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: Right. And that should be her human right. You know, she shouldn't have to ask for a special exception to that.
But I think it's important that we focus here on the role of the Democrats, because, actually, the Democrats' absolute inability to hold Israel accountable for any of its human rights violations is what has allowed it to continue to increase, with impunity, its repressive policies. And although the Democratic leadership made some statements in support of the two congresswomen yesterday, in reality, for months and, in fact, years now, they've been working against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanction movements, trying to pass legislation against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, calling it anti-Semitic. So they have contributed to the demonization and delegitimization of these congresswoman, which resulted in this action.
And I think this is a real key moment for the Democrats, because while the old guard, like Pelosi and Schumer and Hoyer, who are the — who defend Israel at all costs, the younger people, people of color, women — and, you know, all the polls show that that's true of — that that has very much — that's the population of people who have shifted in their positions on Israel in the last years, and is represented by people like the Squad, that there's a real disconnect between the old-guard Democrats and the new Democrats, and that they have — you know, there needs to be some actual concrete action, that platitudes are not enough anymore.
We had Mark Pocan yesterday saying we should potentially condition aid to Israel. We've had Betty McCollum's bill, which is trying to place conditions on aid that's allowing Israel to put Palestinian children into jail. We have, you know, Representative Omar's legislation to protect the BDS movement. These are all actual concrete actions that Democrats could take to protect their own colleagues, rather than allowing Trump and Netanyahu to set the agenda. And I think that's what we need to look for now, is those kinds of actions.
And I'm very thrilled, because JVP, actually — a couple days ago, I couldn't have been able to talk on these terms — that we're now just launching JVP Action, which is our sister organization. So we're going to be doing electoral work, defending our champions and holding elected officials accountable. And I think that's a reflection of where we are in the movement. We're starting to be able to push policies, because we do have this rift in the Democratic Party.
AMY GOODMAN: Were you shocked by AIPAC coming out, that there's any light between AIPAC and Trump, or AIPAC and Israel right now, that they condemned the decision?
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: I mean, it was very clear they made this decision not based on principle, but on PR, essentially, like they don't want Israel to look bad. And they're very invested in a bipartisan consensus around Israel. And they are losing that, and they're losing — you know, they're losing the Democrats. They're losing the Democrats at the base. And they're starting now to lose the Democrats who are elected. And so I think this was a move for self-preservation more than anything else.
AMY GOODMAN: We're going to break and then come back to this discussion with Rebecca Vilkomerson, head of Jewish Voice for Peace, and Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, member of the Palestinian Parliament. He's speaking to us from Ramallah. This is Democracy Now! Back in a minute.
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AMY GOODMAN: "Can I Go On" by Sleater-Kinney. This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman. Israel has announced it will conditionally allow Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib to visit family in the West Bank, a day after it barred both Tlaib and sister Congresswoman Ilhan Omar from entering Israel to travel to occupied Palestine. Israel is still refusing entry to Omar. Israel initially blocked entry to both lawmakers after President Trump took the unprecedented step up publicly urging Israel to bar entry to the women, the first two female Muslim members of Congress.
On Thursday, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, known as AIPAC, tweeted, "We disagree with Reps. Omar and Tlaib's support for the anti-Israel and anti-peace BDS movement, along with Rep. Tlaib's calls for a one-state solution. We also believe every member of Congress should be able to visit and experience our democratic ally Israel firsthand," AIPAC said.
This is Bassam Tlaib, responding to news of Israel banning his niece, Congressmember Rashida Tlaib, from entering the country.
BASSAM TLAIB: [translated] It is an unfair decision. Rashida is Palestinian. She is originally from Palestine. Her grandfather and father are originally from Palestine. She wanted to visit her country of Palestine. She wanted to visit her family and relatives. It is unfair that Rashida is banned from visiting Palestine.
AMY GOODMAN: Congressmember Rashida Tlaib shared a photograph of her grandmother on Twitter a few hours after Israel announced its decision to bar her entry. And she wrote, "This woman right here is my sity [my grandmother]. She deserves to live in peace & with human dignity. I am who I am because of her," she tweeted.
Now, again, early this morning, the Israeli government reversed its decision on Rashida Tlaib conditionally, saying, on humanitarian grounds, they'll let her in to visit her grandmother, but that she cannot advocate BDS, she cannot advocate Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions.
We continue our conversation with Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, member of the Palestinian Parliament, joining us from Ramallah, on the West Bank. We're also joined by Rebecca Vilkomerson of Jewish Voice for Peace. Her husband and children live in Israel.
Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, if you can explain the law that Israel passed two years ago, and explain the grounds on which they have been barred, now, again, this exception made for Congressmember Tlaib to visit her grandmother, if she doesn't speak out?
MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: Well, this law was used against the BDSmovement. The BDS movement is a nonviolent movement. It's a peaceful movement that calls for sanctioning the occupation and sanctioning the Israeli policies in the Occupied Territories. And this law is used to prohibit and prevent anybody who is in solidarity with the Palestinian people, anybody who is supporting the right of the Palestinians to be free from occupation, and the right of the Palestinians to have a free, independent and sovereign state. They use it as an instrument to prohibit these people who are in solidarity with Palestinians from visiting Palestine and from entering Israel.
And this is not the only law that is racist here. There is another law which was passed by the Knesset and astonished everybody, which is the national — the state national law, which says that this land, including the Occupied Territories, is a place for the Jewish people only, and that self-determination is restricted to Jewish people.
In my opinion, these two laws, and specifically the law that is against BDS, is nothing but an instrument to hide the truth and reality. They think that this way they will prevent the world from knowing the facts on the ground. They think that this way they will stop the growth of the solidarity movement to the Palestinian people, which is actually happening.
All over the world, there is a much bigger understanding, especially among the younger population, especially among, for instance, in the United States, among young American Democrats, who are supporting the Democratic Party. And even among young Jewish people, there is a growing support to the Palestinian right for freedom, against the system of Israeli apartheid, against the system of Israeli oppression. And that growth frightens the Israeli establishment.
So what they are doing is to impose these laws that are only used by dictatorships. They are only used in human history by governments that are authoritarian and that are trying to oppress and suppress the freedom of expression.
That's why I said — by the way, about the issue of humanitarian approval, most of the Palestinian people are restricted in terms of freedom of movement. Many Palestinians in Gaza Strip are not allowed, even for humanitarian reason, to come to Jerusalem or the West Bank. We, most of us, in the West Bank are not allowed to go to Jerusalem, not even for humanitarian causes.
So, in my opinion, this is an Israeli deceit, and no congresswoman in the United States, including Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar, should accept conditions from the Israeli side that would restrict their freedom of expression, that would restrict their freedom of movement. On the opposite, they should insist on that freedom of movement, and they should insist on their right of knowing the truth about what's happening it and exposing it to the world.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to read an article from Middle East Eye about the home of Rashida Tlaib's family in the West Bank. They write, "The modest home of Tlaib's grandfather, Issa Abdullah, lies west of Ramallah city. The one-story house is nestled between two Israeli military bases at an intersection between adjacent Palestinian villages Beit Ur al-Fawqa and Beit Ur al-Tahta.
"About 100 metres east of the house sits an Israeli military site that has been in place since 2011. Israeli soldiers are positioned behind cement blocks with their weapons pointed at passersby, and about 15 Israeli surveillance cameras are peppered across the area.
"To the north lies Road 443, reserved exclusively for Israeli settlers' use, which was built on some of the family's land. Finally, about 500 metres west, there lies another Israeli military site in place since 1988."
That description is from Middle East Eye. Would you care to elaborate on that, Dr. Barghouti?
MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: Absolutely. That's a very important point. Let me explain. The West Bank is part of the Occupied Territories that were occupied by Israel in 1967. West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, is supposed to become the land of the Palestinian future state, according to the peace agreements, which Israel has violated constantly, especially under Netanyahu.
Inside the West Bank, and part of the apartheid system that Israel has created, they have invented something that did not exist even in South Africa during apartheid system, that did not exist even during the worst segregation time in the United States: They've invented the segregated roads. These are major highways, big roads, tens of them, that are cutting the West Bank, north, south, east, west, connecting Israeli illegal settlements with Israel, and they are prohibited for Palestinians. I'm talking about roads in Israel; I'm talking about roads in the occupied Palestinian territories which are prohibited for Palestinians. And if a Palestinian is caught walking or driving on any of these roads, he would be sentenced to six months in jail and maybe more.
In the case of Beit Ur al-Fawqa, from which Rashida Tlaib descends, the Israeli army has cut — established that road, 443 Road, which cut the Palestinian territory into two pieces, prohibits and prevents people from normal movement. And we were attacked more than once while we demonstrated against the establishment of this road and when we demonstrated against the segregated roads. And in this particular case, this is an example of how the whole geography of the Palestinian territories of the West Bank is harmed and destroyed by the building of these roads, by the building of Israeli illegal settlements and also by the building of the apartheid wall, which started to be built in 2002 and has become three times as long and twice as high as Berlin Wall used to be. It's another instrument of an apartheid system.
What is the goal of all of this? The goal of all of this is to destroy the contiguity of Palestinian territories, to prevent the ability of Palestinians to have a state of their own, and to consolidate a system of racial discrimination and apartheid, where Palestinians are clustered, like in the case of Beit Ur al-Fawqa or other places, clustered in ghettos or Bantustan-like entities.
That is a very clear system of apartheid that should be condemned by everybody. And I am sure, if most of the Americans would know the reality about what's happening here, they will be first to criticize Israel and first to refuse this Israeli-imposed position where if you criticize Israel, you are called anti-Semitic. This is unacceptable. There is a difference between criticizing Jews as people, which is unacceptable, and criticizing the Israeli government policies, which should be condemned as a system of apartheid and occupation.
AMY GOODMAN: Before this latest reversal of allowing Rashida Tlaib in on humanitarian grounds, Prime Minister Netanyahu wrote on Twitter, "Only a few days ago, we received their itinerary for their visit in Israel, which revealed that they planned a visit whose sole objective is to strengthen the boycott against us and deny Israel's legitimacy. For instance: they listed the destination of their trip as Palestine and not Israel, and unlike all Democratic and Republican members of Congress who have visited Israel, they did not request to meet any Israeli officials, either from the government or the opposition," he said. That was Netanyahu. Rebecca Vilkomerson?
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: Yes. First, I have to clarify: My husband and kids do live with me in New York. My husband is Israeli, and my kids have Israeli citizenship. And as a Jewish American, I am entitled to Israeli citizenship, but I've declined to pursue it, because I don't want to be coopted into the Israeli project.
You know, I think, again, there's always a reason that Israel has. It's always about security. But the reality is that we have to reframe this around human rights and people's human dignity and people's freedom. And that's everything that Dr. Barghouti just mentioned.
And I think, you know, just thinking a little bit about my own community, the Jewish American community, I think we have a lot to answer for. Our institutions, like the ADL and AIPAC, spoke out against the congresswomen being denied yesterday, but they've done so much to create an atmosphere where it's impossible to criticize Israel without being called anti-Semitic, as Dr. Barghouti mentioned, and has tried to pass laws that do the same thing, and are ignoring the fact that larger and larger numbers of American Jews, in particular, younger American Jews, in particular, but also all people across the United States, including, again, young people, women, people of color, more and more support Palestinian rights. And so, I think that's an inevitable shift that's happening in terms of the public narrative and the public understanding of the realities. And that's why we're starting to see these changes also in Congress.
AMY GOODMAN: They also mentioned, in originally saying no to the congresswomen, Rashida Tlaib's support for a one-state solution.
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: Yeah. And, I mean, again, Israel's understanding that they have the ability and the power and the right to limit people's political opinions, that they can say, "We grant you the ability to come to the West Bank, but only if you don't speak about BDS. We are banning you because you support a particular political solution" — the idea that that is a legitimate reason to ban someone, especially a sitting U.S. congressperson, is absurd.
AMY GOODMAN: Who is deciding what the U.S. should do about U.S. support for Israel. So, U.S. congresspeople go to places where the U.S. is giving a large amount of support.
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: That's right.
AMY GOODMAN: In fact, what is the level of aid the U.S. gives?
REBECCA VILKOMERSON: It's 38 — you know, it's $38 billion. It's more aid than any other country receives in the world. And that's why I think, again, it's the responsibility now of Congress to take some action, to use all the many levers — economic aid, military aid, diplomatic cover that they offer Israel in the U.N., all of those things — to say that this can't stand, because it's not — the idea that a congressperson can't visit Israel because she's visiting Palestine, as she calls it — last week, 70 members of Congress visited Israel under the auspices of AIPAC. And so, the idea that it would not be possible for a Palestinian-American congresswoman to go to her own ancestral home and to be able to report directly about the conditions on the ground, that's one of her key responsibilities, and should be the responsibility, actually, of all members of Congress, given the level of aid that they offer to Israel.
AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, Hanan Ashrawi tweeted, "They're coming to Palestine, not Israel! Unfortunately, Israel is the occupying power that holds Palestine & the Palestinians captive. The US administration is in full partnership with #IsraeliCrimes." Your last 15 seconds before, I think, the satellite goes?
MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: [inaudible] Palestine, and it will be Palestine. The Israelis have to choose: Either they accept two-state solution and allow us to have a free and sovereign state, or we live together in one state, but with total, complete equality, full democratic rights for everybody.
And by the way, many congressmen and women come here and never meet Palestinians. So, this is not new. The fact that Omar and Rashida did not want to meet Israelis, it's their right. But if they want to establish an equitable approach, then every congresswoman and man who comes here should meet Palestinians, as well.
AMY GOODMAN: We want to thank you both for being with us, Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, speaking to us from Ramallah, member of the Palestinian Parliament, and Rebecca Vilkomerson, who is head of Jewish Voice for Peace.
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