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This issue attempts to express "Goodwill towards Men" (naturally, in the gender-neutral sense of the word) by reprinting in it's entirety a transcript for the Radio and Television show called Democracy Now. It is aired on over 500 radio stations world-wide and can be seen on Free Speech TV and Link TV on either satellite provider. This was aired yesterday. Today, there was another full-hour discussing another Blackwater case and still another private contractor, all of which is done in our name, and, of course, after careful consultation with God who reportedly said "Yeah, good idea -- go get 'em George". The transcript of today's show can be found at their website.
I just want to take the opportunity to point out that, despite all the criticism and his resignation, Gonzales was the best Attorney General we had since Aschcroft, author of the book Never Again.
Here is the unexpurgated transcript. It should be an eye-opener as it is the only testimony I know of coming from someone who survived our "secret prisons" overseas.
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* Surviving the Darkness: Testimony from the U.S. "Black Sites"
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*AMY GOODMAN: *Today, a /Democracy Now!/ broadcast exclusive. A victim
of the CIA rendition program-kidnapped, held in secret jails and
tortured-speaks out in his own words. His name is Mohamed Farag Ahmad
Bashmilah, one of hundreds of men to have passed through the CIA's
so-called "black sites." Today, he tells his story.
of the CIA rendition program-kidnapped, held in secret jails and
tortured-speaks out in his own words. His name is Mohamed Farag Ahmad
Bashmilah, one of hundreds of men to have passed through the CIA's
so-called "black sites." Today, he tells his story.
A citizen of Yemen, Mohamed came to Jordan with his wife in the fall of
2003 to arrange surgery for his ailing mother. He was living in
Indonesia at the time. Jordanian authorities took him into custody
shortly after seizing his passport. There, he says he was tortured,
threatened and forced to sign a false confession. He was turned over to
the CIA within days and flown to a secret prison he later found out was
in Kabul, Afghanistan.
2003 to arrange surgery for his ailing mother. He was living in
Indonesia at the time. Jordanian authorities took him into custody
shortly after seizing his passport. There, he says he was tortured,
threatened and forced to sign a false confession. He was turned over to
the CIA within days and flown to a secret prison he later found out was
in Kabul, Afghanistan.
In CIA custody, Mohamed says he was held in a freezing-cold cell,
interrogated, shackled, force-fed, subjected to sleep deprivation and
loud music for days. He attempted suicide at least three times. He talks
about his interrogators and the American psychiatrists or psychologists
who also played a role.
interrogated, shackled, force-fed, subjected to sleep deprivation and
loud music for days. He attempted suicide at least three times. He talks
about his interrogators and the American psychiatrists or psychologists
who also played a role.
Mohamed has brought a lawsuit against a Boeing subsidiary accused of
abetting his kidnapping. The American Civil Liberties Union is suing
Jeppesen Dataplan on behalf of Mohamed and four other victims of CIA
kidnapping and torture. The lawsuit accuses Jeppesen of providing direct
logistical support for the CIA flights.
abetting his kidnapping. The American Civil Liberties Union is suing
Jeppesen Dataplan on behalf of Mohamed and four other victims of CIA
kidnapping and torture. The lawsuit accuses Jeppesen of providing direct
logistical support for the CIA flights.
Yesterday, I spoke to Mohamed Bashmilah on the phone from his home in
Yemen, in his first broadcast interview. We're going to play that
interview in a moment, but first I want to turn to Meg Satterthwaite.
She is director of the International Human Rights Clinic at New York
University Law School. She's Mohamed Bashmilah's attorney, joining us
from Washington, D.C. Welcome to /Democracy Now!/, Meg Satterthwaite.
Yemen, in his first broadcast interview. We're going to play that
interview in a moment, but first I want to turn to Meg Satterthwaite.
She is director of the International Human Rights Clinic at New York
University Law School. She's Mohamed Bashmilah's attorney, joining us
from Washington, D.C. Welcome to /Democracy Now!/, Meg Satterthwaite.
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *Thank you very much.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Talk about the significance of what Mohamed Bashmilah
describes happened to him.
describes happened to him.
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *So, one of the reasons that Mohamed Bashmilah's
story is so important is that he is one of a very small number of
individuals to have actually come out of the so-called "high-value
detainee" program. This is a program that targeted individuals who were
suspected of being quote/unquote "high-level al-Qaeda" members or had
associations with such members. Mohamed is one of very few people who
was later released from that program, rather than being sent to
Guantanamo. And for that reason, he is able to tell about some of the
black sites that, really, we haven't heard much about from any
perspective outside of the US government perspective.
story is so important is that he is one of a very small number of
individuals to have actually come out of the so-called "high-value
detainee" program. This is a program that targeted individuals who were
suspected of being quote/unquote "high-level al-Qaeda" members or had
associations with such members. Mohamed is one of very few people who
was later released from that program, rather than being sent to
Guantanamo. And for that reason, he is able to tell about some of the
black sites that, really, we haven't heard much about from any
perspective outside of the US government perspective.
*AMY GOODMAN: *He was never charged and then ultimately released, after
being-
being-
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *That's correct.
*AMY GOODMAN: *-held in-the last jail was in Yemen for ten months, he
says, at the behest of the Americans.
says, at the behest of the Americans.
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *Right. So he was never charged by the Americans in
any way. In fact, he still doesn't know to this day why the Americans
picked him up and why they requested his transfer from Jordan. He was
charged finally by the Yemeni government. When he was transferred to
Yemen, the Yemeni government has said that they were told to hold him on
behalf of the US government. They later received a file from the US
government, and essentially they felt that they didn't have any evidence
that he was a terrorist, so they interviewed him and they found that he
admitted to using a false identity document at one point when he was in
Indonesia, and they charged him with forgery. They then sentenced him to
time served, and they counted the time that he spent in secret prisons
abroad.
any way. In fact, he still doesn't know to this day why the Americans
picked him up and why they requested his transfer from Jordan. He was
charged finally by the Yemeni government. When he was transferred to
Yemen, the Yemeni government has said that they were told to hold him on
behalf of the US government. They later received a file from the US
government, and essentially they felt that they didn't have any evidence
that he was a terrorist, so they interviewed him and they found that he
admitted to using a false identity document at one point when he was in
Indonesia, and they charged him with forgery. They then sentenced him to
time served, and they counted the time that he spent in secret prisons
abroad.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Meg Satterthwaite, why is he and the other men who you're
representing suing this Boeing subsidiary, Jeppesen?
representing suing this Boeing subsidiary, Jeppesen?
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *So the Jeppesen suit, which was brought by the
American Civil Liberties Union, is a suit that challenges corporate
complicity in the rendition and secret detention program. And the point
here is to show and to try to stop the complicity of regular
corporations in the secret detention and forced disappearance program.
American Civil Liberties Union, is a suit that challenges corporate
complicity in the rendition and secret detention program. And the point
here is to show and to try to stop the complicity of regular
corporations in the secret detention and forced disappearance program.
*AMY GOODMAN: *We're talking to Meg Satterthwaite, director of
International Human Rights Clinic at New York University Law School. And
what is the Boeing subsidiary's response-Jeppesen?
International Human Rights Clinic at New York University Law School. And
what is the Boeing subsidiary's response-Jeppesen?
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *Well, we actually haven't had a response from the
defendant, Jeppesen, in this case. What has happened instead is that the
US government has made a motion to intervene, and they've also at the
same time made a motion to dismiss the lawsuit or to get a summary
judgment granted in their favor on the basis of the state secrets
doctrine. So the idea is the US government needs to come in and say,
"Wait, we can't forward with this case. We can't even go forward to have
a response from the defendant, because the issues in the case are so
linked to national security that the entire case must be dismissed on
the basis of state secrets."
defendant, Jeppesen, in this case. What has happened instead is that the
US government has made a motion to intervene, and they've also at the
same time made a motion to dismiss the lawsuit or to get a summary
judgment granted in their favor on the basis of the state secrets
doctrine. So the idea is the US government needs to come in and say,
"Wait, we can't forward with this case. We can't even go forward to have
a response from the defendant, because the issues in the case are so
linked to national security that the entire case must be dismissed on
the basis of state secrets."
*AMY GOODMAN: *Meg Satterthwaite, we'd like you to stay with us. We're
going to turn now to the interview that I did with Mohamed Bashmilah.
Fuad Yahya provided the translation. I spoke to Mohamed at his home in
Yemen. He began by talking about his initial capture in Jordan before he
was turned over to the CIA.
going to turn now to the interview that I did with Mohamed Bashmilah.
Fuad Yahya provided the translation. I spoke to Mohamed at his home in
Yemen. He began by talking about his initial capture in Jordan before he
was turned over to the CIA.
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] It was approximately
six days, but what I endured there is worth years. They took me
there, and in the evening they started their interrogations
process. They started putting some psychological pressure on me.
They wanted me to confess to having some connections to some
individuals of al-Qaeda. They tried several times to get me to
confess, and every time I said no, I would get either a kick, a
slap or a curse. Then they said that if I did not confess, they
will bring my wife and rape her in front of me. And out of fear
for what would happen to my family, I screamed and I fainted.
After I came to, I told them that, "Please, don't do anything to
my family. I would cooperate with you in any way you want."
six days, but what I endured there is worth years. They took me
there, and in the evening they started their interrogations
process. They started putting some psychological pressure on me.
They wanted me to confess to having some connections to some
individuals of al-Qaeda. They tried several times to get me to
confess, and every time I said no, I would get either a kick, a
slap or a curse. Then they said that if I did not confess, they
will bring my wife and rape her in front of me. And out of fear
for what would happen to my family, I screamed and I fainted.
After I came to, I told them that, "Please, don't do anything to
my family. I would cooperate with you in any way you want."
*AMY GOODMAN: *CIA torture and rendition victim, Mohamed Farag Ahmad
Bashmilah. He was speaking to me yesterday from his home in Yemen. We'll
come back to this interview in a moment.
[break]
*AMY GOODMAN: *We return now to this broadcast exclusive, the interview
with CIA torture and rendition victim, Mohamed Farag Ahmad Bashmilah. I
spoke to him at his home in Yemen late yesterday and asked him to talk
about his transfer to CIA custody after his detention in Jordan.
with CIA torture and rendition victim, Mohamed Farag Ahmad Bashmilah. I
spoke to him at his home in Yemen late yesterday and asked him to talk
about his transfer to CIA custody after his detention in Jordan.
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] They took me at 1:30
in the morning out of the detention facility. I was told that I
was being released. I was cautiously optimistic, because how could
someone be released at 1:30 in the morning?
in the morning out of the detention facility. I was told that I
was being released. I was cautiously optimistic, because how could
someone be released at 1:30 in the morning?
They took me to the room where I deposited my belongings. And my
belongings consisted of my passport, $200, an ID card and my
wedding ring. I signed receipt of these items, but they were not
given to me. They were put inside an envelope. In addition, they
put also the paper that I had signed, the confession, which was
essentially a false confession.
belongings consisted of my passport, $200, an ID card and my
wedding ring. I signed receipt of these items, but they were not
given to me. They were put inside an envelope. In addition, they
put also the paper that I had signed, the confession, which was
essentially a false confession.
While we were walking out, I asked one of the guards where I was
being taken and where is my family? At that time, my heart was in
distress. I felt there was something wrong, there was some kind of
a conspiracy regarding my fate.
being taken and where is my family? At that time, my heart was in
distress. I felt there was something wrong, there was some kind of
a conspiracy regarding my fate.
At that time, the guard lifted the blindfold partially so that I
would speak to the interrogator, and I saw another man who had a
Western look. He was white and somewhat overweight and had dark
glasses on. I realized then that they were probably handing me
over to some other agency, because during the interrogations I had
with the Jordanians, one of the threats was that if I did not
confess, they will hand me over to American intelligence. At that
time, I did not take that threat seriously, because they had
threatened me before that they would rape my wife, so I thought
this was just psychological pressure. But at this moment, I
realized I was being handed over to some other parties.
would speak to the interrogator, and I saw another man who had a
Western look. He was white and somewhat overweight and had dark
glasses on. I realized then that they were probably handing me
over to some other agency, because during the interrogations I had
with the Jordanians, one of the threats was that if I did not
confess, they will hand me over to American intelligence. At that
time, I did not take that threat seriously, because they had
threatened me before that they would rape my wife, so I thought
this was just psychological pressure. But at this moment, I
realized I was being handed over to some other parties.
When we left the building and we got into the vehicle and the
vehicle started to move, so I realized if the vehicle turned left
and then turned right, that would mean that I was being taken to
the airport, and that could mean that I would be handed over to
some other parties. On the other hand, if the vehicle turned left
and then turned left again, then that would mean that we were
going to the city center, and that could mean that I was being
released. I could not see or hear, but I could feel the movement,
and the vehicle went into the direction toward the airport. I
became increasingly afraid, increasingly worried, because I was
being handed over to some other parties, and I didn't understand why.
vehicle started to move, so I realized if the vehicle turned left
and then turned right, that would mean that I was being taken to
the airport, and that could mean that I would be handed over to
some other parties. On the other hand, if the vehicle turned left
and then turned left again, then that would mean that we were
going to the city center, and that could mean that I was being
released. I could not see or hear, but I could feel the movement,
and the vehicle went into the direction toward the airport. I
became increasingly afraid, increasingly worried, because I was
being handed over to some other parties, and I didn't understand why.
When we arrived at the airport, they took me to a hall. And
without any precautions or anything, I felt that I was being
pulled violently by some other people. They took me to another
room. They started tearing down my clothes, from above all the way
down. And I was being stripped completely naked. They started
taking pictures from all directions. And they also started to beat
me on my sides and also my feet. And then they put me in a
position similar to the position of prostration in Muslim prayer,
which is similar to the fetal position. And in that position, one
of them inserted his finger in my anus very violently. I was in
terrible pain, and I started to scream. When they started taking
pictures, I could see that they were people who were masked. They
were dressed in black from head to toe, and they were also wearing
surgical gloves.
without any precautions or anything, I felt that I was being
pulled violently by some other people. They took me to another
room. They started tearing down my clothes, from above all the way
down. And I was being stripped completely naked. They started
taking pictures from all directions. And they also started to beat
me on my sides and also my feet. And then they put me in a
position similar to the position of prostration in Muslim prayer,
which is similar to the fetal position. And in that position, one
of them inserted his finger in my anus very violently. I was in
terrible pain, and I started to scream. When they started taking
pictures, I could see that they were people who were masked. They
were dressed in black from head to toe, and they were also wearing
surgical gloves.
And then, they started in the process of preparing me for travel,
and that consisted of putting a diaper on me. And then they put
pants, which went down to below the knee, and a top with the
sleeve to the middle of the forearm. And then, they also put some
gauze on my eyes. And then they put what looked like headphones on
my ears-sorry, these were not headphones; they were like little
plugs inside the ears, plastic. And then they put gauze on that,
on the ears. And then they taped that with very strong adhesive
tape. And then they put a hood over my head. And then, on top of
that, they put a headphone. This is as far as the top of my body
was. And then they handcuffed me with a chain, and also they
chained my ankles. Then they put a belt above the pants, and then
they tied the hands and the ankles to that belt. This was after
being slapped and kicked until I almost fainted.
and that consisted of putting a diaper on me. And then they put
pants, which went down to below the knee, and a top with the
sleeve to the middle of the forearm. And then, they also put some
gauze on my eyes. And then they put what looked like headphones on
my ears-sorry, these were not headphones; they were like little
plugs inside the ears, plastic. And then they put gauze on that,
on the ears. And then they taped that with very strong adhesive
tape. And then they put a hood over my head. And then, on top of
that, they put a headphone. This is as far as the top of my body
was. And then they handcuffed me with a chain, and also they
chained my ankles. Then they put a belt above the pants, and then
they tied the hands and the ankles to that belt. This was after
being slapped and kicked until I almost fainted.
And then they took me into an aircraft, and they had me lie down
on the floor of the airplane. Then they strapped my legs at my
chest so that I wouldn't move right or left. The aircraft flew for
about two-and-a-half to three hours. And I was in such a terrible
psychological state, only God could determine. There was a lot of
physical pain because of what I had endured, and also all the
thoughts regarding what might happen to my wife and my mother.
This is knowing that my mother was seriously ill, and my wife
could not speak Arabic very well so she could be of much help to
my mother. And so, throughout this flight, I was in some kind of a
coma, and I would come to and I would faint and come to. And so,
during those times when I was thinking of my wife and mother, I
would be distracted from the pain, and then the pain would
distract me from the thoughts to my wife and mother.
on the floor of the airplane. Then they strapped my legs at my
chest so that I wouldn't move right or left. The aircraft flew for
about two-and-a-half to three hours. And I was in such a terrible
psychological state, only God could determine. There was a lot of
physical pain because of what I had endured, and also all the
thoughts regarding what might happen to my wife and my mother.
This is knowing that my mother was seriously ill, and my wife
could not speak Arabic very well so she could be of much help to
my mother. And so, throughout this flight, I was in some kind of a
coma, and I would come to and I would faint and come to. And so,
during those times when I was thinking of my wife and mother, I
would be distracted from the pain, and then the pain would
distract me from the thoughts to my wife and mother.
About three hours later, we landed somewhere. And then some
[inaudible], and they handled me very roughly. They took me to a
detention center. I was in a very poor psychological state. Then
they took me to a room where they took my weight, and they
examined my eyes and my ears. Then they put me in a solitary cell.
[inaudible], and they handled me very roughly. They took me to a
detention center. I was in a very poor psychological state. Then
they took me to a room where they took my weight, and they
examined my eyes and my ears. Then they put me in a solitary cell.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Were you beaten in this place?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] In this place, I was
not beaten. They did not seem to have anything that indicated that
I should be treated that way. In addition to that, they could see
that I was in a terrible psychological state. It did not make any
sense to pressure me in interrogations.
not beaten. They did not seem to have anything that indicated that
I should be treated that way. In addition to that, they could see
that I was in a terrible psychological state. It did not make any
sense to pressure me in interrogations.
I was terribly agitated, and I was crying inconsolably, thinking
of my mother and my wife. Also, I was thinking what they were
thinking-why would they take me from one detention center to
another? And I remained in this cell for three months, during
which I had no relief at all, despite the fact that they brought a
number of psychiatrists, in addition to the general practice
physician there.
of my mother and my wife. Also, I was thinking what they were
thinking-why would they take me from one detention center to
another? And I remained in this cell for three months, during
which I had no relief at all, despite the fact that they brought a
number of psychiatrists, in addition to the general practice
physician there.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Mohamed, who were you being held by here?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] Based on what the
Jordanians had told me, that they would hand me to American
intelligence, in addition to the interrogators in this place who
came to see me with interpreters, I realized quite certainly that
I was being held by American intelligence.
Jordanians had told me, that they would hand me to American
intelligence, in addition to the interrogators in this place who
came to see me with interpreters, I realized quite certainly that
I was being held by American intelligence.
*AMY GOODMAN: *What clues did you have? Why did you think American?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] Some of the
interrogators would come to me and interrogate me in the
interrogation room, and they would tell me, "You should calm down
and be comforted, because we'll send all this information to
Washington." And they would say that in Washington, they will
determine whether my answers are truthful or not.
interrogators would come to me and interrogate me in the
interrogation room, and they would tell me, "You should calm down
and be comforted, because we'll send all this information to
Washington." And they would say that in Washington, they will
determine whether my answers are truthful or not.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Mohamed Farag Ahmad Bashmilah, speaking to us from Yemen,
CIA torture and rendition victim. We'll come back to this conversation
with him in a minute.
[break]
*AMY GOODMAN: *We return to the last part of my interview with Mohamed
Farag Ahmad Bashmilah, the CIA torture and rendition victim. In the
previous excerpt, he described his ordeal while he was sent to the
secret CIA prison in Afghanistan. I asked him to talk about the
conditions at that prison.
Farag Ahmad Bashmilah, the CIA torture and rendition victim. In the
previous excerpt, he described his ordeal while he was sent to the
secret CIA prison in Afghanistan. I asked him to talk about the
conditions at that prison.
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] In the beginning, it
was totally dark. It was as if you were inside a tomb. Then, after
that, they would turn a light on. Above the door, there was a
camera. And there was constant loud music.
was totally dark. It was as if you were inside a tomb. Then, after
that, they would turn a light on. Above the door, there was a
camera. And there was constant loud music.
*AMY GOODMAN: *What kind of music?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] It was loud Western
music, and it was very noisy.
music, and it was very noisy.
*AMY GOODMAN: *In English?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] After a while, they
switched to Arabic music.
switched to Arabic music.
*AMY GOODMAN: *How loud was it?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] It was loud enough
so that you could not hear what happens in the other cells when
the doors opened and closed.
so that you could not hear what happens in the other cells when
the doors opened and closed.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Did you hear other prisoners?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] Yes, I heard other
people very clearly, because sometimes there would be power
outage, and during that time the music would stop and you could
hear the other people.
people very clearly, because sometimes there would be power
outage, and during that time the music would stop and you could
hear the other people.
*AMY GOODMAN: *What did you hear?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] Sometimes I would
hear a call for prayer, and sometimes I hear them conversing about
this new person who has just arrived, and that's me, because I
didn't talk. So I would hear them once in a while.
hear a call for prayer, and sometimes I hear them conversing about
this new person who has just arrived, and that's me, because I
didn't talk. So I would hear them once in a while.
*AMY GOODMAN: *What language were your guards and the
interrogators speaking?
interrogators speaking?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] The guards would not
speak a single word, but the interrogators spoke in English, and
they had interpreters with them.
speak a single word, but the interrogators spoke in English, and
they had interpreters with them.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Did you try to hurt yourself in this cell?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] During these three
months in this cell, I tried hurting myself three times, because I
could not take it in that place, because I had not done nothing
wrong.
months in this cell, I tried hurting myself three times, because I
could not take it in that place, because I had not done nothing
wrong.
The first time, I tried to pull some thread from the blanket,
trying to fashion a rope to hang myself. I tied it to the window
that was opposite to the door, where the sound of music would
come. I think they saw me through the camera, so the guards came
and stopped me.
trying to fashion a rope to hang myself. I tied it to the window
that was opposite to the door, where the sound of music would
come. I think they saw me through the camera, so the guards came
and stopped me.
After a while, I collected some of the medicine that they were
giving to me every day. I kept a number of these pills, about
twenty, and then I dissolved them in a cup of water. But it just
happened that at that time, the guards came, and it was just the
wrong time.
giving to me every day. I kept a number of these pills, about
twenty, and then I dissolved them in a cup of water. But it just
happened that at that time, the guards came, and it was just the
wrong time.
And the third time was, I tried to slash my veins with a piece of
metal that I had. But this piece of metal was not sharp enough, so
I injured myself, but the wound was not deep enough.
metal that I had. But this piece of metal was not sharp enough, so
I injured myself, but the wound was not deep enough.
Because of the recurrence of these incidents, then they started
having the psychiatrists see me. And what these psychiatrists did
was just give me the opportunity to speak and express myself. And
the therapy mainly consisted of trying to look at my thoughts and
try to interpret them for me, and in addition to some
tranquilizers whenever they thought I needed some.
having the psychiatrists see me. And what these psychiatrists did
was just give me the opportunity to speak and express myself. And
the therapy mainly consisted of trying to look at my thoughts and
try to interpret them for me, and in addition to some
tranquilizers whenever they thought I needed some.
There was one time also when I started beating my head against
wall. And then what happened was, they brought me a helmet,
similar to what people wear when they play golf. So all of my
attempts were unsuccessful.
wall. And then what happened was, they brought me a helmet,
similar to what people wear when they play golf. So all of my
attempts were unsuccessful.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Mohamed, why did you try to commit suicide three times?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] The main thing was
that I had not done anything that would call for being transferred
from one prison to another and to endure such suffering. In
addition to that, knowing that my mother was seriously ill, and
she and my wife were in a foreign country-imagine any mother
having her son snatched away from her and taken away, even for
just one week. Imagine what this person would suffer and how the
mother would suffer also. This made me want to have nothing to do
with life anymore.
that I had not done anything that would call for being transferred
from one prison to another and to endure such suffering. In
addition to that, knowing that my mother was seriously ill, and
she and my wife were in a foreign country-imagine any mother
having her son snatched away from her and taken away, even for
just one week. Imagine what this person would suffer and how the
mother would suffer also. This made me want to have nothing to do
with life anymore.
*AMY GOODMAN: *How long were you held in Yemen?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] Ten months.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Were you tortured there?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] I was not tortured.
I was questioned about the places where I had been detained,
which, of course, I didn't know. There was no need to torture me
or even ask me about anything else in terms of violations of the
law or anything. My detention in Yemen, as far as I could
determine from what was written in the press, was at the behest of
the Americans.
I was questioned about the places where I had been detained,
which, of course, I didn't know. There was no need to torture me
or even ask me about anything else in terms of violations of the
law or anything. My detention in Yemen, as far as I could
determine from what was written in the press, was at the behest of
the Americans.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Can you describe finally being released to your family?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] My joy was
indescribable. I could not believe that I was going to be
released. As much as I was happy to be released and to be reunited
with my wife and mother, I was also worried about what my wife and
mother had endured during my absence. I did not tell them what I
had suffered in Jordan or elsewhere.
indescribable. I could not believe that I was going to be
released. As much as I was happy to be released and to be reunited
with my wife and mother, I was also worried about what my wife and
mother had endured during my absence. I did not tell them what I
had suffered in Jordan or elsewhere.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Do you have a message for the American people?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] I believe that the
American people are helpless during the administration of George
Bush. When I was in detention, I would speak to the interrogators,
and I told them that the policies of George Bush was wrong,
especially sending American people to areas where they don't
belong. And I told them that it seems that the policy consisted of
addressing wrongs with wrongs. I didn't know that one day when I
would be released, I would find out that there are American
victims of this policy, as well.
American people are helpless during the administration of George
Bush. When I was in detention, I would speak to the interrogators,
and I told them that the policies of George Bush was wrong,
especially sending American people to areas where they don't
belong. And I told them that it seems that the policy consisted of
addressing wrongs with wrongs. I didn't know that one day when I
would be released, I would find out that there are American
victims of this policy, as well.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Mohamed, did they ever charged you with anything?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] I was not charged
with anything. This is what I have found. I was handed to Yemen,
and they asked them to detain me.
with anything. This is what I have found. I was handed to Yemen,
and they asked them to detain me.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Did you have any communication with your family?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] And there were no
charges against me.
charges against me.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Did you have any communication with your family
from Jordan to the time you were released?
from Jordan to the time you were released?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] I could not contact
my family or any human rights organization or the Red Cross or any
agency, other than my interrogators, the doctors and the
psychiatrists.
my family or any human rights organization or the Red Cross or any
agency, other than my interrogators, the doctors and the
psychiatrists.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Did the Red Cross ever visit you?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] They never did. I
wished they did.
wished they did.
*AMY GOODMAN: *So you did not speak to your family, even when you
were ten months in Yemen in jail?
were ten months in Yemen in jail?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] After a month and a
half of being in Yemen, I was able to communicate with my family.
half of being in Yemen, I was able to communicate with my family.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Why did the Yemen authorities hold you?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] They said this was
at the behest of the US authorities.
at the behest of the US authorities.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Do you have any message for other prisoners who are
held at places like Guantanamo or the same prisons you were held
in, who remain there?
held at places like Guantanamo or the same prisons you were held
in, who remain there?
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] I want to tell all
prisoners in all places that one day truth and justice will
prevail. They want to be released, but their jailers want to keep
them, and God has a plan for them.
prisoners in all places that one day truth and justice will
prevail. They want to be released, but their jailers want to keep
them, and God has a plan for them.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Mohamed, I want to thank you for taking this time
to tell us your story.
to tell us your story.
*MOHAMED FARAG AHMAD BASHMILAH: *[translated] You're welcome. It
is my duty to sit here and express what has happened to me and
also to hope that no one else will endure the same.
is my duty to sit here and express what has happened to me and
also to hope that no one else will endure the same.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Mohamed Bashmilah, he was a victim of CIA rendition,
imprisoned at black sites run by the CIA. I spoke to him at his home in
Yemen, telling his story for the first time in a broadcast interview. He
was translated by Fuad Yahya.
imprisoned at black sites run by the CIA. I spoke to him at his home in
Yemen, telling his story for the first time in a broadcast interview. He
was translated by Fuad Yahya.
Mohamed Bashmilah's lawyer, Meg Satterthwaite, is still with us from
Washington, D.C. You have brought a suit on his behalf. You are not,
though, suing the US government. You are suing Jeppesen for being part
of extraordinary rendition, is that right, Meg?
Washington, D.C. You have brought a suit on his behalf. You are not,
though, suing the US government. You are suing Jeppesen for being part
of extraordinary rendition, is that right, Meg?
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *That's right. First, I'd just like to clarify that
the suit was actually brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, and
I'm co-counsel in the case, representing Mohamed Bashmilah. The case is
against Jeppesen Dataplan for its complicity and essentially for
enabling some of the flights that were used to take individuals into the
rendition and secret detention program. This is a program that could not
exist without corporate complicity. Jeppesen is a crucial example here.
The CIA used purportedly civilian planes to avoid certain procedures
that they normally would need to use if they used, for example, military
planes or official government planes. So the corporate complicity is
actually a crucial part of the CIA program.
the suit was actually brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, and
I'm co-counsel in the case, representing Mohamed Bashmilah. The case is
against Jeppesen Dataplan for its complicity and essentially for
enabling some of the flights that were used to take individuals into the
rendition and secret detention program. This is a program that could not
exist without corporate complicity. Jeppesen is a crucial example here.
The CIA used purportedly civilian planes to avoid certain procedures
that they normally would need to use if they used, for example, military
planes or official government planes. So the corporate complicity is
actually a crucial part of the CIA program.
*AMY GOODMAN: *And why not the US government, as well, a suit against
the government?
the government?
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *There has been, of course, several suits against
the government for the rendition and secret detention program. The most
recent one that viewers and listeners may be familiar with is the case
of Khaled el-Masri, also a suit brought by the ACLU. In that suit, the
suit was dismissed on the basis of the state secrets doctrine,
essentially for the reason that-the CIA and the US government was able
to forward the argument that the case was so sensitive it should be
dismissed, because it had to do with state secrets.
the government for the rendition and secret detention program. The most
recent one that viewers and listeners may be familiar with is the case
of Khaled el-Masri, also a suit brought by the ACLU. In that suit, the
suit was dismissed on the basis of the state secrets doctrine,
essentially for the reason that-the CIA and the US government was able
to forward the argument that the case was so sensitive it should be
dismissed, because it had to do with state secrets.
The point in this case is to say the government has already acknowledged
the program's existence, the President and other high officials have
given lots of details about the program when it suited them, so it can't
be that the very basis and fact of the program is still a state secret.
It cannot be that that is enough to get rid of a lawsuit about basic
human rights and the violation of those basic human rights.
the program's existence, the President and other high officials have
given lots of details about the program when it suited them, so it can't
be that the very basis and fact of the program is still a state secret.
It cannot be that that is enough to get rid of a lawsuit about basic
human rights and the violation of those basic human rights.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Meg Satterthwaite, were the interrogations of Mohamed
videotaped?
videotaped?
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *We don't know. What we do know is that there were
video cameras in his cells and also in interrogation rooms. I would like
to know, of course, if my client was videotaped. We have filed a Freedom
of Information Act request seeking all records, which would include
videotapes, if they existed, or transcripts. And all we've gotten from
the CIA is the claim that they can neither confirm nor deny having any
records of my client.
video cameras in his cells and also in interrogation rooms. I would like
to know, of course, if my client was videotaped. We have filed a Freedom
of Information Act request seeking all records, which would include
videotapes, if they existed, or transcripts. And all we've gotten from
the CIA is the claim that they can neither confirm nor deny having any
records of my client.
*AMY GOODMAN: *Meg Satterthwaite, I want to thank you for being with us,
director of the International Human Rights Clinic at New York University
Law School.
director of the International Human Rights Clinic at New York University
Law School.
*MEG SATTERTHWAITE: *Thank you very much.
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